Episode 22: IT futurist Robin Jourdan intersects transportation, airspace, leadership




Information technology futurist Robin Jourdan recently wrapped up a 25-year career in the automotive industry and shares a bit of her wisdom about autonomous vehicles, drones and vertical airspace legislation of the future with Dr. Connie. Robin’s insights into the impact these technologies will have on the rural-urban dynamic are worth consideration in terms of community development and agriculture.

Dr. Connie also digs into Robin’s definition of a futurist and her pillars of leadership. During this part of their conversation, Robin passionately discusses the intense value millennials and generation alphas place on authenticity. She also shares her take on the era of post-trust and her optimism for the future.

“It’s so empowering to see the expression on people’s faces when they realize that they’re not at the mercy of whatever comes down the road.”
Robin Jourdan
IT Futurist

About Robin


Robin Jourdan worked as an automotive original equipment manufacturer in Michigan for nearly 25 years. First as a research analyst, then a research librarian and ending her career as a futurist in information technology. Robin is a certified in strategic foresight from the University of Houston and an Emerging Fellow of the Association of Professional Futurists. She currently consults through Signals from the Future.

Robin’s specialties include:

She holds a bachelor’s in environmental science from the University of Michigan-Dearborn, a master’s in geography from the University of North Dakota and a master’s in library and information science from Wayne State University. She serves as an associate lecturer at Columbia University, teaching knowledge management topics as part of the master’s of knowledge management program.


Bold Voices Student Segment

Listen at 16:23 of Episode 22!

Problem-solving and leadership work hand in hand, according to Bold Voice Ruben Aguilar, a computer science and engineering student at the University of Nebraska–Lincoln.

Aguilar, a computer science and engineering student at the University of Nebraska–Lincoln, was an undergraduate mentor for the RFI-funded Rural Youth Entrepreneurship Clinics (YEC) which recently earned $493,560 in funding from the United States Department of Agricultural National Institute of Food and Agriculture.

He digs deep into his participation in the program, his problem-solving approach and his vision of leadership. “My idea of a leader is just being able to convey the vision and getting people together to work toward that vision,” he says.

Read the full Bold Voices release! »

Show Notes

Dr. Connie: Welcome back to the Rural Futures Podcast, and your host, Dr. Connie. And joining us today is Robin Jourdan, fellow futurist. Welcome to the show, Robin.

Robin Jourdan: How you doing, Connie? Great to be here.

Dr. Connie: Well thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. And before we dive into a lot of the content, tell our audience a little bit more about yourself.

Robin Jourdan: I am at a really interesting point in my life. I’ve worked for the last 25 years at an automotive OEM in Michigan. And the last five was as a futurist in IT. Before that, I was what they call an Embedded Research Library, which meant that I worked in a lot of the advanced technology areas and research areas in the company. And my job for the years prior was to find information that helped the scientists/researchers/engineers create the solutions for our products and services. Quite a lot of fun.

Dr. Connie: Sounds like you’ve had a wonderful career and a very broad career. So define for our audience a futurist.

Robin Jourdan: A futurist to me is someone who helps teams, individuals of all ages prepare themselves for what could come in the future on a given topic or a collection of topics. A futurist to me is much more of a guide.

Dr. Connie: I love that part of the definition.

Robin Jourdan: Because we don’t predict, right? We can’t predict. If we could do that, you and I would be on the beach in some warm, awesome place, because we would’ve won the Powerball a long time ago.


Robin Jourdan: But it’s our expertise that gives people a sense of things aren’t always going to be 100% the way we want them to be, but they’re going to be okay. And I guess that’s how I view my role, is giving people that little bit of confidence, or a lot of confidence, that even though our issues are tough, and boy are they tough, there’s always a way.

Dr. Connie: How did you get interested in becoming a futurist? What did that path look like for you?

Robin Jourdan: At the company that I worked at, we were, and still are, tasked with being aware of what’s going on in our individual industries, or at least our view of what our job and what our role in the company was. So it was to really have that outside view. And the CIO of the organization, at one point, we had collected years of this information, and they were using it, but he felt that they could do a lot more with it. Remember, I was a librarian at the time. So he said, “Well why don’t you give it to the librarian? Give it to Robin and see what she can come up with.”


Dr. Connie: I love that. Okay, hand it over to the librarian. That totally makes sense, right?

Robin Jourdan: And it was awesome because there was no fear. It was like alright, so let’s see where this is going to take us. And I had a lot of support, lot of encouragement, and really it was just a case of one foot in front of the other.

Dr. Connie: And I think that’s where when a person reads your background and learns more about you, I’m sure being that librarian was a part of it. But all the background you have in just environmental science, geography, so many different things, is that love of science of technology, I’m sure, came together very well to position you as a futurist who could take bits and pieces from a lot of areas, make sense of them, and help people frame the future.

Robin Jourdan: I think you’re right. And I think that that’s part of what made this role really resonate with me is I was not using only one part of the toolkit. I was actually able to use a lot of the bits and pieces that I’d collected along the way of problem solving and all of that, that methodology.

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Dr. Connie: Well we’ve talked about you as a futurist. I’d love to learn a little bit more about you as a leader. So describe yourself as a leader.

Robin Jourdan: As a leader, I tend to lead through I guess what I would call direct involvement, hands-on involvement, not just here, let me give you some things to think about, but actually, rolling up my sleeves and getting in there with the different teams, with the individuals, especially in planning and implementation. To me, collaboration is a huge piece of leadership, right? One of things that I think is really important, and it’s really becoming much more prevalent, especially as Millennials and Gen Alphas are coming to the table, are coming into the workforce, is this concept of servant leader. So it’s where you might be the leader but you’re not the General at HQ that’s shouting out orders. You’re actually involved in the solutions, in learning how these different challenges could be approached, right? Because there’s a lot of different ways of getting from A to B

Dr. Connie: Well I think that’s such an excellent point. I want to back up just quickly. Millennials, a lotta people talking about that, and we are very familiar with that generation, but Gen Alpha. Tell our audience a little bit more about Gen Alpha.

Robin Jourdan: They’re the kids who are just entering school. They’re the three-year-olds, the four-year-olds, the seven-year-olds, the eight-year-olds. That whole breath of fresh air. I have a few nieces and nephews. Well actually, I have a lot of nieces and nephews, but I have a few that are in that age range, and Connie, I have to tell you, watching these guys, there’s no challenge that they don’t feel like they can address. They’re dealing with this technology in such a seamless, fearless way, and I think that that’s just so inspiring to me of what they’re going to be bringing to the table. I mean and they’re starting now. They’re not waiting until they’re 18, 24, through their schooling. They want to get in there now. That doesn’t mean that they know all the answers. They know they don’t. But they want to learn.

Dr. Connie: I think that’s such an important point, because as we talk about the need for broadband and being connected, all those things are really important, but it is the how people approach tech. And also, my kids are in that age range, but for them, even using a computer is not how they approach the world. I mean my kids do everything on a phone, and it’s very natural to them. They create things on a phone. I’m like oh dang, it would take me a week on a computer to do.

Robin Jourdan: From the libraries’ perspective, we had to teach these guys how to use mouses with their computers. They would have a computer that would be sitting on their desk for weeks and they wouldn’t turn it on, because no, it wasn’t part of their mind-set.

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Dr. Connie: So Robin, we’ve talked about Millennials, we’ve talked about upcoming generations, but you also talk about the age of post-trust. So tell us a little bit more about that, and how that will affect the future of leadership.

Robin Jourdan: Connie, one the things that I think is going to be really important about what has been written many times and called post-trust, I’m not sure that I really see it maybe the same way that a lot of authors currently do because I think that post-trust just means more skepticism and I think as a scientist, skepticism is a good thing. But when we look at our Millennials, our Gen Alphas, the kids without the baggage, I think that they’re going to continue to bring a new authenticity to the table. I think that saying what you don’t mean and not meaning what you’re saying as a practice is just not going to be tolerated by this rising generation. I think that they’re so embedded in it. I mean when I was a kid, you trusted what an adult said, right, because that’s just the way that it was. And I think that the values of, I’m just going to keep saying the kids, and I don’t mean as a slight in any way, but I think that the values that I’m seeing in my nieces and nephews, you’re either authentic or you’re outta here.

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Dr. Connie: Well I’m a huge fan of libraries. I mean in graduate school, I spent a lot of time physically in a library, making copies and all of those things, and it’s been a while. It doesn’t seem that long ago. But I’m amazed too now how libraries have evolved and changed and how people use them, and how they’ve had to change their business model and engagement methods to make sure they’re still relevant in this day and age. And I think it’s exciting to see now how libraries are really– I know in a lot of our rural communities– are really the place people go to be connected and to learn, and libraries have become a big part of those communities. They always have been, but I would say they’re showing up in a way now that’s become really critical.

Robin Jourdan: I think you’re right, I think you’re right. And something that my husband and I were talking about the other day, and that was along the lines of remember back when we were eight and we’d have these questions. Like my one nephew has a question about– He’s always asking Siri who would win a fight between Megalodon and a T-Rex. Stuff that an eight-year-old’s thinking about.


Dr. Connie: That’s right.

Robin Jourdan: And Siri will give him a very logical breakdown of that battle. I grew up in a time where when you had those questions, you had to physically go to the library. It really had to be worth your while and your parents’ while to get you there. And so a lot of the questions that we had growing up, just natural curiosity questions, didn’t get answered. So we got used to, in a sense, having our curiosity, not aggressively stunted, but just by the nature of the logistics. But the kids today, there’s no crazy question, and they’re finding an answer, which is really remarkable in that it keeps encouraging their curiosity. I just think that libraries and the whole information fabric that we’re living in is such an advantage to dealing with the challenges that we are, on a local and global scale.

Dr. Connie: Well I’d love to dive into that a little bit more, because you are a futurist, and I’d love you to put that big futurist hat on and tell our audience what major changes you see evolving in your area of expertise.

Robin Jourdan: I think at this point, we’re all aware of these things, autonomous cars and the new biosphere that surrounds it. And we’re seeing some really big things emerge in the transportation technology, that convergence. Not just for people, but transportation in general is driven by energy and its constraints, right? Getting goods from here to there is something that, until we have teleporters that eliminate that proximity issue, is always going to be a part of our lifestyle. Whether you’re in an urban area or a rural area, that is a factor that’s not going to go away for a very long time. And also, how does that impact the environment? That’s something that my generation, we didn’t really deal with it the way that we are today, that we’re really getting in with sleeves rolled up and really trying to see the impacts of our decisions. Earlier this week was the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, and one of the things that they announced was– and they actually had, I guess, a passenger drone, a two-person passenger drone, at the Auto Show. And they’re predicting that we’re going to be seeing technologies, these modes of transportation, in the next 10 years. That’s just mind boggling, that’s Jetsons, that’s Jetsons all over that. But one interesting factoid is The Jetsons show, you’re familiar with the cartoon show, The Jetsons?

Dr. Connie: Absolutely, yeah.

Robin Jourdan: It was created in 1962. Well it was a view of the future 100 years from then. So 2062, and you know what, we might actually be on a path to see flying cars by 2062. How crazy would that be. That would be everybody’s dream.

Dr. Connie: I didn’t realize it was supposed to be that 100-year view. So that’s new information, that’s really interesting. I think the flying cars are really cool. I’m also hopeful that I’ll get a Rosie the Robot that can take care of the cleaning and laundry, those day to day things. I don’t want to do-


Robin Jourdan: Chase the cat around with the vacuum.

Dr. Connie: I’m totally okay with that.

Robin Jourdan: And actually, it was in a class and we were talking about The Jetsons, and that’s where I learned that it was the 100-year view out. And what the producers did, they actually went into schools in the Los Angeles area and talked to kids about what they thought that 2062 would look like, is where they really got a lot of that inspiration from. Again, back to the kids. They don’t carry all of the emotional baggage, the non-emotional baggage. They’re just open and free-thinking people.

Dr. Connie: I think that’s such an excellent point, and I think sometimes, we discount some of what they say because we almost view it as too creative or too out there. But I think the truth is, because they don’t have those filters, and they don’t have really any sensors to what they’re thinking, they’re just thinking very broadly, but in some ways, pretty practically, I would say too, in terms of it’s not that it’s not possible. You just have to put the effort and the resources into exploring it.

Robin Jourdan: Exactly, exactly. And I think that we adults, for myself, I think sometimes, we get so attached to our ideas, and that we’ve gone through so much life and living, and the school of hard knocks, or whatever you want to call it, that we love our ideas more.

Dr. Connie: Yeah, I agree, and I think that’s the value of bringing a futurist in as well, into some of these conversations, and especially conversations maybe where that futurist has some expertise, but also a broader background. I would say you and I both fall into that category where you’re not so entrenched in the day to day, in the social norms, the cultural norms of that industry that you can bring some fresh ideas and perspective that perhaps other people weren’t thinking of. Because you’re in an industry for X number of years and you know a lot about the industry, which is great, but also can be a bit of challenge in this day and age where change is happening so rapidly that you really need to look to other industries and how they’re advancing and changing, or even being challenged, in order to pivot what you’re doing.

Robin Jourdan: Pivot, that’s a great perspective, because isn’t that a lot of what we really are doing? A lot of people, oh, they don’t like change. But if we even just change the terminology to pivot, they’re a lot more open to it. They’re a lot more open to the new possibilities I think. At least that’s been my experience.

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Katy Bagniewski: Welcome to Bold Voices, our segment with rockstar students from the University of Nebraska, who are making a difference in Rural. Hello podcast listeners, welcome to Bold Voices, our segment with student leaders from the University of Nebraska. I’m Katy Bagniewski, the production specialist of Rural Futures with Dr. Connie. And with me today is Ruben Aguilar, a computer science and engineering student at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Welcome Ruben.

Ruben Aguilar: Hi Katy, thanks for having me.

Katy Bagniewski: So Ruben, we have a lot of different topics to touch on today, but first, can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?

Ruben Aguilar: I was born in Crete, Nebraska and then I moved around a lot, spent a long time in Texas. And my main interests are, of course, computer science and finance, but I also really like technology and problem solving, I guess trying to find the best solution for it, which is what my two studies help with a lot.

Katy Bagniewski: So Ruben, you were an undergrad participant with a competitive award project that the Rural Futures Institute funded called the Rural Youth Entrepreneurship Clinics, or YEC for short. For our listeners who don’t know, can you explain the YEC program and your role with it?

Ruben Aguilar: Well my part was being a mentor for pre-stage analytics, and the program had four company sponsors, and they proposed a problem and high school students would work to solve the problem. They were all split up into groups. So of course, these groups were assigned mentors and I was a mentor for pre-stage analytics and our problem was getting information from like a data collection hardware and then getting it to a database with high school students, from freshman, sophomore and senior.

Katy Bagniewski: What made you want to participate in this project and what was your biggest takeaway from it?

Ruben Aguilar: It probably became one of the biggest benefits to my problem-solving approach because it taught me to be really versatile. And then my biggest take-away was just definitely problem-solving approach and then the community that we had. It was just an overall amazing program that I think really benefited my studies here at UNL.

Katy Bagniewski: Yeah, it sounds like a great opportunity for both the high school students and the undergrad mentors involved. As a mentor, you were really set up in a leadership position, so describe to me the intersection you saw between problem solving and leadership.

Ruben Aguilar: Yeah, I think my idea of a leader from that was just being able to convey the vision and getting people together to work towards that vision. When you begin to work on a project, you’ll begin to realize that there’s a lot of very small problems that will add up if they’re not resolved, once they come about. So I think being a leader is all about being able to give those solutions, because it’s so easy to get lost on a project with so many details.

Katy Bagniewski: Well you have great thoughts around leadership, Ruben, especially for being a sophomore in college. So let’s keep this conversation going and look toward your future. How has your University of Nebraska experience impacted you as you decide what to do next in school and beyond?

Ruben Aguilar: There’s so many resources that if you’re really motivated and engaged, you can find them. They’re there, you just have to have the drive. And then I’m not sure what I want to do but it’s definitely shaping my idea, and I think it’s just being exposed to so many organizations that are just so young, and being able to have the open opportunity to join them and get involved. Just all these new experiences with YEC, the exposure, the opportunities, they’re there. If you really go look for them, they’re there.

Katy Bagniewski: Yeah and I think that that’s really advice for any students who may be listening. So thank you for sharing that and thank you Ruben for joining me today as our Bold Student Voice. You’ve been able to intersect so many areas that we at RFI are really passionate about. So thank you for sharing your story and we look forward to seeing how you’ll grow in your future. It was a real pleasure.

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Dr. Connie: You talked about autonomous vehicles and the biosphere that surrounds them. Can you give our listeners a little perspective on what that biosphere looks like?

Robin Jourdan: The biosphere is our living things, right? That’s at least how I’m defining it. So autonomy in any kind of machine, robots, AI, how that technology or set of technologies really interacts with life is really at an exciting point. And it’s at a point where we are still defining, and we will be for quite some time, how do we want to interact with what’s essentially machines?

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Dr. Connie: So you mentioned that really transportation is constrained by energy. And so can you tell us a little bit more about how energy does put constraints in the transportation industry?

Robin Jourdan: If we just limit ourselves to the technologies that we have available today, there are a lot of people in the world who are just simply in waiting mode for access to what we consider in a developed country as just standard issue. So putting that different hat on and realizing that maybe the way that the challenge was handled in the past, in other parts of the world, let’s just say in the United States, and there’s even places in the United States, we know, that don’t have the same access to even electricity, water, on and on. That’s what I was getting at in terms of energy and its constraints is that sunlight is all shining on us pretty evenly, but our ability to even capture that energy of the sun is very much differentiated by the technology you have available.

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Dr. Connie: I notice part of the preparation for the podcast, you talked about drones and the possibility of those drones maybe opening up some new revenue streams for landowners. Could you talk a little bit more to that?

Robin Jourdan: Well this is a what if situation, right? So as we start to see, in the United States, we still have some high hurdles to get over with the commercial use of drones I think, but if we think about it and play the video out, we start to see how their use starts to impact what we think of as traditional land use, and that impacts not only urban areas but rural as well. One of the things that I’ve been thinking about is right now, at least in the US, a drone pilot has to have line of sight with their aircraft. Well in time, that might change and relax, but what that means for the rural landowner is huge. It’s a potential invasion of their airspace, their privacy, their property rights, to a great extent. And some say that that airspace will become vertically priced, right. So depending on the cost of moving through that space, depending on your altitude, is going to have different advantages, and potentially, that kind of revenue stream. But what it also means is that we’re no longer on the public highway system. Since the 1950s, the Eisenhower autobahn and potentially crossing private lands, how does that impact the landowner? A lot of the whole what ifs, right? Or is airspace part of the commons? How many people might have a different opinion about turning it into the commons?

Dr. Connie: I love this conversation because these are the thoughts and conversations we want to bring forward as a Rural Futures Institute. What does rural look like now? I mean we have this perspective. We have a lot of opinions, and a mind-set around it. But what could the future potentially look like, and how can we create an abundant future for rural areas and urban areas alike, through what’s happening with technology, and even the expectations of people, the psychographic changes in addition to the demographic changes that we see happening? And so thinking about vertically-priced airspace, that’s just a conversation that is a game changer, especially I would say for rural areas that are so vast in terms of land ownership, like you’re saying.

Robin Jourdan: Yeah, and think of it also in terms of the urban intermediate areas, right? We think of right now skyscrapers. Urban is skyscrapers. Urban is the concrete jungle, all of that. But if it’s our airways, if it’s that sky view, that airspace that hasn’t been–valued isn’t the right word but you kind of get where I’m going– how does that impact skyscrapers? Does that mean that urban areas start building shorter buildings but try to push further into what we’re considering today, a rural area, but it’s all these short, little buildings, because they want to take advantage of the vertical airspace?

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Dr. Connie: How do you see 3D printing potentially impacting the need for transportation? If people can print more at home, anything they need, for example, do you think that has a potential to offset some of what’s going to be needed by drones? Or do you see them coming together and a big need for both the 3D printing where you are, locally, at your home, at your business, and drones? Like coming together in a cohesive way.

Robin Jourdan: I think they’re going to come together but when you think about 3D printing, the aspect that people tend to not prioritize, I’ll just put it that way, is the fact that your printer has to have the right materials to print what it is you want to print.

Dr. Connie: Think about all the different implications that has, right? I mean you still need delivery of those raw ingredients, but homes, in the home design, business design, you’re going to still need space to store it or put it. It has really a watershed of fact in terms of what our spaces look like in the future, how we interact with one another, how we interact with things and stuff. What that all looks like. The transportation system itself. I mean it’s really pretty exciting to think about the holistic system in the future.

Robin Jourdan: Absolutely. Isn’t it a fun time to be a futurist?


Dr. Connie: I agree. I love that. And it’s so funny because sometimes, we still get “Is being a futurist a real thing?” and I’m like oh my gosh, look around, because it is the best gig, best career ever right now.

Robin Jourdan: Yeah, I love it, I love what I’m doing. I actually loved when I had the engineers. We were shoulder to shoulder, because I would get these engineers that would be like “Show me your crystal ball.” But then when I started showing them and teaching them the different methodologies that we have available, and how close those are to say traditional Six Sigma, traditional engineering, traditional scientific method, they saw this as not just a mystical, I have my robes and I’m Harry Potter kind of things. They actually got that you can’t predict the future but they got that the means to generate these what if situations actually had some validity.

Dr. Connie: Absolutely, and I think that’s where even the discipline itself, it’s exciting to see it grow but also become more valid because of the tools and the processes involved to really help people frame up what the future might look like, what the possibilities are, what the probabilities are. So what are some of the strategies you really enjoy using to help people take a look at the future for themselves?

Robin Jourdan: One of the things that I start probably every project with I guess is a phrase out of Buddhism really. It’s called the beginner’s mind. Bias of thinking that we, as adults, already know the answers to whatever the topic at hand is. I try to minimize that in myself by adopting what is called the beginner’s mind. So I try to really let go of my preconceived notions. And that really helps when you’re working with people of all different kinds of age groups and backgrounds. Actually, one of the things, Connie, that I think you’re probably familiar with is the Teach The Future, where the futurists are going into the schools and teaching elementary, middle and high school kids about the futuring process, which makes it not only accessible to these new generations and really I think in some ways counter effects the fear of the future, fear of change, fear of, wow, if I go in direction A, B, C for my life’s work, what if I’m wrong, and those kinds of questions. That’s where beginner’s mind perspective really helps me to relate to those folks a little more easily, because we’re all put on the same level.

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Robin Jourdan: Then I’ll look at really that whole outside in look that futurists are famous for. So what’s actually going on in relation to whatever that topic is in terms of social, tech, economics, political, and environment. And actually, I have morphed that usual STEEP method into a social tech economic and geopolitical, I push geo and politics together. We start looking at what is actually going on, not what do I think is going on, but what’s actually going on.

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Robin Jourdan: From there, then we start to develop the trends, the drivers, the things that are actually happening, and we’re using that data as the means for that and not this person’s opinion or that person’s opinion or that party, or all of the filters that we have to what’s really going on around us.

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Robin Jourdan: Really, from there, a lot of things fall into place in terms of what’s happening and what are the actual entities, the actors, that are a part of that. And then we start to work with some of the maybe more robust tools in the toolkit, the causal layer analysis and some of those other tools.

Robin Jourdan: I love beginning with the beginner’s mind. That clean slate, everybody on equal footing. Let’s do this together and really make it a wonderful process that really reveals maybe some unexpected results or ideas that we wouldn’t be necessarily looking for. And that’s one of the reasons I was so excited that you were coming on the podcast.

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Robin Jourdan: Before I left the company, I really loved it there, I mean I was fortunate that I was able to retire and it’s turning out to be a really good decision in that regard, but one of the things that the company had in place is this transition period for people who were planning to retire. And so one of the things that the team that I was on, Now I was the only futurist in the IT organization, we worked together and said “how are we going to not let the engine that Robin built how do we not let that just fall apart.” So one of the things that we did and these people, they put up with some much, because we put together some apps that people would be able to go through and develop their own what if scenarios, and they’d be able to go through and they’d be able to determine what their own personal change profile looked like, in terms of do they consider ideas to be the thing that drives the greatest change? Is it technology? Is it religion? And there’s I think about 10 different personalities, those change types. So we put those things together. We put together really a nice, little set of tools so that they could turn it into play Hopefully, knock on wood, that’s all still going, because it can’t be down to one person.

Dr. Connie: That’s brilliant. And it does help grow the work that’s been done, rather than always starting over a process that can put an organization really in a challenging spot, but to add this technology in there and to have the apps with the personal change profiles, that’s really cool, and turning this into play. I bet people are having a blast at that. I’d love to learn more. That’s amazing.

Robin Jourdan: Well maybe some time, we can play around with something. I mean I can’t actually take from there, right, but the ideas that we came out the University of Houston and other futuring organizations that have been super successful at getting the word out, getting the message out, getting the how do we do this. It’s so empowering to see the expression on people’s faces when they realize that they’re not at the mercy of whatever comes down the road.

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Dr. Connie: As somebody in a wonderful place in her life, and making transitions, but also, somebody who’s made wonderful contributions in her career as well, what parting words of wisdom do you have for our audience?

Robin Jourdan: One of the things that has kept me really involved in and really wanting to mature what I do as a futurist has been the experience I have with other futurists. And Connie, I’m sure you’ve had this experience where these are the most optimistic people on planet Earth. I have not met another industry profile of a job, a role, that has been more overarchingly optimistic. And so my parting words is our best days are ahead.